Posts by Sea Breeze

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At what point, does one become apostate to the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses?

by Vanderhoven7 in

at what point does a jehovah’s witness cease to be a jehovah’s witness?

what if a witness doesn't believe some of the official teachings of the governing body but remains silent on these subjects to avoid being disfellowshipped?

is he or she an apostate to the faith?

Sea Breeze

When you accept the fact that God doesn't use false prophets.

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Dubtown (kevin McFree) - A JW Parody on Youtube done with Legos

by Acluetofindtheuser in

has anyone ever come across the youtube channel that uses legos through stop motion animation to make fun of the witnesses?.

it's called dubtown but the channel is under the name kevin mcfree.

the creator sounds british.

Sea Breeze

What exactly would we do without British humor?

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Where Does Watchtower Doctrine Contradict Scripture?

by Vanderhoven7 in

here are some areas that i have found:.

not only is watchtower eschatology offbase, which is not critical, but so is watchtower soteriology … which is critical.

the bible says not to put trust in men who cannot save.

You want to talk about faith? The bottom line is that if you were in some sort of legal trouble and a judge sent you word that he wanted to meet with you privately before your trial to work out terms that would be acceptable to both "the people" and to you, you know that you would take him up on the offer..... because you can see him.

Yet, I see nothing in your comments that indicates that you have enough faith to show the same deference to Jesus, your judge. He is waiting on you Person. Don't blow it.

"you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life." - John 5: 40

Come to Me - Jesus. Why not simply obey? Unless of course it is not a faith issue and you have already concluded like the Pharisees: "we will not have this man be ruler over us".

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Where Does Watchtower Doctrine Contradict Scripture?

by Vanderhoven7 in

here are some areas that i have found:.

not only is watchtower eschatology offbase, which is not critical, but so is watchtower soteriology … which is critical.

the bible says not to put trust in men who cannot save.

Sea Breeze

@ Person - Jesus is the only judge you will ever know if you don't deal with him first. You will face Jesus and talk to him one day whether you acknowledge his position as judge or not.

Why not check to see what his terms for peace are, before you seek a higher Magistrate? Maybe his terms are acceptable? That is the idea behind a short little parable not quoted much in Luke 14 :

“Or what king, going to wage war against another king, does not sit down first and take counsel whether he is able with ten thousand to meet him who comes against him with twenty thousand? 32 Otherwise, while the other is yet at a distance, he sends a delegation and requests conditions of peace. 33 So likewise, any of you who does not forsake all that he has cannot be My disciple.

You are the King of your own life apart from God as a child of Adam. You are the King with only 10K troops. Jesus is the coming King/Judge/Liberator with 20K troops. If you think you are moral enough to not deal with Jesus and appeal straight to Jehovah for justice, mercy and sonship... go for it. If not, maybe check with Jesus first to see if the terms for peace with God are acceptable?

It's just common sense.

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Where Does Watchtower Doctrine Contradict Scripture?

by Vanderhoven7 in

here are some areas that i have found:.

not only is watchtower eschatology offbase, which is not critical, but so is watchtower soteriology … which is critical.

the bible says not to put trust in men who cannot save.

Sea Breeze

Maybe take turns, one day to Jesus and the other to God?

@ Person

Well why not? Ever prayed to Jehovah for your sins to be forgiven? Why don't you try asking Jesus :

1. to forgive your sins

2. give you life forever

3. to make you a permanent member of God's family

Here are some common sense reasons to pray to Jesus:

1. I'm sure you are aware that the Father judges no one, but has comitted ALL of the judging to the Son. So, why continue to ignore him? Doesn't make any sense. What if you appeared in court (and you most certainly will after you die according to Hebrews 9: 27) and refused to address the Judge? Instead, you ignore him and direct all your appeals to the baliff or maybe to the court reporter, or someone else. How do you think that will go over? Seems pretty dumb. Some may say that such a person deserves what he gets, not because of his crimes, but on grounds of stupidity alone!

2. Jesus has the power and authority to forgive your sins. ' "But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,) I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house". And immediately he arose, took up the bed, and went forth before them all; insomuch that they were all amazed' - Mark 2

3. Jesus said, "Come to me" (not Jehovah) and I will give you rest, life, joy etc.

In the Old testament, the phrase "thus saith the Lord" appears over 400 times. But in the New Testament, it doesn't appear even once. I wonder why this is so? However, Jesus said over 100 times in the NT, "I say unto you" because he is "God manifest in the flesh" (1 Tim. 3: 16 - MEV, KJV, NKJ)

Jesus also said, "Ye have not because ye ask not".

Why don't you start praying to Jesus and see if you get better results than you did when you disobediently appealed to Jehovah as a WT publisher?

Maybe start with addressing God as "Lord" and let Him sort out your praises, requests, forgiveness, etc.

At least you would not be disrespectful to the One with the power to forgive your sins.

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Watching the show

by Teddnzo in

i’m new to apostate stuff but have gone deep down a few rabbit holes of late so want to see both sides to everything .

im going to a congregation but am viewed as a bit of a black sheep because i question lots of things but not enough to cause too much trouble.. i’m intrigued watching the show.

in my heart i’m pretty sure the governing body are fakes and charlatans.. the entire thing is a big con game.

Sea Breeze

@Nicolaou

Virgins don't have babies, men can't walk on water and corpses don't come back to life.

How do you know that? Is it because that you have never personally experienced these things ?

By this reasoning, since I have never died before, that means I'll live forever, right? That logic doesn't really work does it?.

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Where Does Watchtower Doctrine Contradict Scripture?

by Vanderhoven7 in

here are some areas that i have found:.

not only is watchtower eschatology offbase, which is not critical, but so is watchtower soteriology … which is critical.

the bible says not to put trust in men who cannot save.

Sea Breeze

Regardless of what he saw, he was talking to Jesus same as to God.

We don't talk to angels that way. In fact, we arent supposed to talk to spirits at all.

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Best advice ever given by the current Gibbering Body!

by BoogerMan in

the october 2023 study watchtower - p. 18, par.

2 exhorts jw's to personally dig deeper into the scriptures.

"an excellent way to study the bible is to see how the var ious parts of its message connect together.

Sea Breeze

Good advice.

A wise man once said:

Do as they say, not as they do - Jesus

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Luke 23:43 the NWT

by Ade in

luke 23:43 - and jesus said to him, "positively i say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.

nwt places comma here , giving a totally different meaning to the verse.

now the average jw uses this to back their doctrine and it seems in itself virtually impossible to reason with them on it.

Sea Breeze

Rattigan - Millions of Christians reject the minority text as authoratative ... mainly because of the omissions. If you added up all the omissions in the Minority text, and subtract them from the Majority text, they would approximately equal the number of greek words in 1 and 2 Peter.

That is a lot of deletions. In two recently published translations of the New Testament – the Evangelical Heritage Version and the Modern English Version – John 3:13 ends with the phrase, “who is in heaven.”

It is supported by the vast majority (over 95%) of Greek manuscripts, as well as manuscripts written in Old Latin, the Vulgate, the Peshitta, the Ethiopic version, and a wide variety of early patristic writers.

Other people in the bible have been described as being in two places at the same time, with their body on earth and their soul or spirit in heaven at the same time. It is not unique.

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Watching the show

by Teddnzo in

i’m new to apostate stuff but have gone deep down a few rabbit holes of late so want to see both sides to everything .

im going to a congregation but am viewed as a bit of a black sheep because i question lots of things but not enough to cause too much trouble.. i’m intrigued watching the show.

in my heart i’m pretty sure the governing body are fakes and charlatans.. the entire thing is a big con game.

Sea Breeze

which are the top several points that prove JWs wrong?

Welcome Teddnzo.

1. The top point is the denial of Justification for its members. I heard a millions times growing up that the New Covenant was only for 144K goverment position in God's Kindgom, and therefore, not for me.

But the bible says that the new covenant is "for the forgiveness of sins" MT. 26: 27-28

Romans 5: 1, 9 says that you cannot escape the wrath of God without being Justified.

You can never be good enough to avoid an adverse judgement because " all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags" (Is. 64: 6) And, "there is no one righteous, no not one".

2. The "All other organizations are false" WT doctrine. Looks like you still struggle with this one. There are lots of good individually goverened groups of Christians out there. Got is saving individuals.... not religions. That is the key point.

The reason we need a persoanl saviour, is because Hebrews 9:27 says there will be a personal judgment AFTER we die. We are not being judged now on how we respond to WT literature. That is absurd.

3. Gal. 1: 8,9 says that if we believe or preach anything other than what the apostles preached, we are "CURSED". This scripture alone destroys most of WT teachings because they admit that things like their two-tier salvation scheme wasn't taught by the apostles. The whole concept of "new light" is destroyed by Gal. 1:8,9